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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:14:13 -
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mrjknyazev wrote:Karen, I'm Daredevil Carebear.
I use the term "DareBear" also  3 days ago I killed a Stratios that dared to wonder into my Anaomly with my navy vexor. he won't be doing that again for a while.
I DARE you to come between me and my next Shekel.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.09.06 12:26:37 -
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Serene Repose wrote:You are seeing the lowbrow eventuality our culture has come to where there are vapid, but vitriolic people who just can't live and let live. They see someone different, bellow that the world is supposed to operate according to their own preferences, and for the different to become like them or they'll be verbally abusive, and attempt to use force (if possible) to "make" people do things the way they do. Here, we're infested with people who (believed an ill-considered statement by a CCP official) insist EVE is only PvP, and therefore anyone not playing EVE as they do should be forced to. Until that happens, they heap derision on those people who are different. The term "carebear" came into being as a derogatory appellation. (Funny they don't have a corresponding word for themselves. Allow me: Sociopaths.) This even though a visit to this time-honored and well known website - EVE - Survival: Mission Reports amply demonstrates that not only is there a wealth of PvE content in EVE, the PvE content actually threatens to swamp these self-proclaimed "real EVE players" of PvP. However, along with the vitriolic name-calling (guaranteed to get threads locked here) comes a "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made-up" attitude that beggars belief...that is unless you're aware of this sort of person (who also decorate our daily lives with their form of "manners".) I wouldn't trouble myself with them. They are no more than would be a fart in an elevator. Something to be endured until the car reaches your floor. Though, I'm sure they themselves relish the scent and will have no compunction about proving so in this thread you started...which is really about them.
This is wrong. It's a view held only by people who have a too narrow definition of "PVP" ie "pvp is blowing ships up". Blowing ships up is only a direct for of pvp, but essentially everything we do that gains us something over other players is pvp.
The real 'carebear' is the person who feels like the game owes them not only safety, but a guaranteed good time. They reject the very idea that other people exist, and they choose to play a game where other people can gain enjoyment at the cost of their own.
The real name of the game in EVE is to prevent others from enjoying the game at the cost of your own enjoyment. This isn't telling people how to play (the carebear ALWAYS defaults to the self serving lie of 'you just want to make me play like you') this is telling people the reality of the game. No different than most real life games. Like how in soccer your entire mission is to not only score goals, but prevent the other side from scoring too.
The standard carebear answer to what I've said above is: "But CCP should make a game we can all enjoy". That's crazy, what makes eve special is the fact that we all affect each other with the things we do, and in that kind of environment, someone is going to lose sometime. |
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Posted - 2016.09.06 15:12:07 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Serene Repose wrote:
This is wrong. . . .
Yeah. Right.
Hello bitterbearGäó,
Your equivalent would be "bitter vet". Someone who hates newbies, carebears, life, people, existing, whatever and takes it out on others usually in an aggressive violent form in game.
I do have a question for you. If PVPers are sociopaths and you willingly play a game with these "sociopaths" when there are thousands of non pvp games out there and yet you show such disdain( thats my word of the day) for them.... what does that make you?
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Bit of a tangent, but I will say that I often wonder this.
I play EVE because it meets my entertainment needs. it gives the the opportunity to play Han Solo against murderous pvp'rs (people think of him as a fighter, but Solo is a SMUGGLER adept at the art of RUNNING THE F AWAY WITH THE LOOT). If EVE weren't a PVP focused game (both in direct terms of combat and indirect terms of me selling my deadspace loot for less than the next guy) it would not meet my entertainment needs, and thus I wouldn't play it.
But people DO play it while complaining that the game doesn't meet their expectations, or they hate the fact that they have to share the game with "people who just want to crap all over everyone else" etc. This forum is a monument to people who hate the thing they are paying for.
My theory about such folks is that they don't live in the now, but rather defer their lives to the future. It doesn't matter that their experience right now is crappy, what matters is that it could be so much better in the future (if only CCP nerfs the people and gameplay they don't like). |
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Posted - 2016.09.09 16:00:53 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
Take a look at my alts killboard - L Dopa - I fly him around solo trying to get fights. Almost always in a caracal, cerb, drake or command ship and I'd like to say 9 times out of 10, but more like 99 times out of 100, no one will attack him unless they're at least 5 people or more.
So who really has no balls? The ganking null seccers too scared to risk their space pixels unless they have an enormous advantage or the guys going out there solo to check it out and get ganked... my moneys on the latter.
Why risk losing a ship when an uninvited guest wants an honobru space fight on their time, not yours? Sending overwhelming odds is supposed to send a message that you are not welcome and need to leave, not an invite to fight.
We see misplaced low sec "solo pvprs" in our space all the time. The get introduced either to one of the Standing fleets of mad miners/ratter, or the Vale Police fleet. LOW SEC and Jita Duels is the place for all that 1v1 crap. Coming into our space that we fought for and maintain and expecting space honorable combat is like breaking into someone's house and challenging them to a wrestling match in their living room.
You break into my house expecting 1v1, you end up experiencing 1vAsManyShotgunsAndGlocksWeCanReachBeforeYouGetSmoked. |
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Posted - 2016.09.10 07:23:32 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:The excuse you have is the same tired old one all pro gankers give while secretly or not so secretly knowing there is no real way to counter the alt ganker. Even if you manage to activate a kill right and gank him back it'll just be a max 10 mill disposable gank ship that'll never make up the damage you sustained. I know that to many your stupidity was confirmed a long time ago, but it doesn't take much research to find out I'm not a ganker, but an industrialist.
Yea lol.
Some people can't understand that the counter to gankers is not to get ganked and/or to leverage the power of groups. Some how the majority manages this. |
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Posted - 2016.09.12 12:33:31 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:
There was no mega-meltdown. I had a player follow me for 4 months in game from system to system calling me a pedophile and worse. CCP refused to ban them despite that being a serious violation of the EULA and when I once told them to F Off in local that same player reported me for bad langauge for which I got a warning. I decided to unsubscribe at that point as any customer would.
Looks like a pretty good meltdown to me: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=337596
Man O Man, you don't know the half of it. 
It's why I say don't concern yourself with that poster, he'll just rage quit again soon and everything will be ok.
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Posted - 2016.09.12 14:30:26 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I never said they can only go to uninhabited areas. I never said they have to join a corp. They can move to any system and fight for the PvE resources of that system, same as the locals. That's what makes EVE the best MMO: if you want something, go fight for it.
Why can't we use our numbers advantage if we have 1?
You are charging alone into a system that has 30 people in local expecting 1v1 instead of 30v1. Why would we only send out 1 ship for an honorable space dance? How do we benefit from that compared to blobbing them? Most of them don't want to fight at all - that is why they live in high-sec in the first place - they either don't *want* to fight for resources or (more likely) they don't have the friends/etc to enable them to beat your blob. I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to use your blob - I'm saying you are a beautiful example of the ridiculous hypocrisy of null-sec residents - demanding that high-sec residents come out to their space, blobbing them to death as an unwelcome intruder, and then laughing at them for being dumb enough to do what you told them to do in the first place. I haven't decided yet if this is *intentional* - and you just want to lure in easy targets to farm.... Or if you are really so ****ing stupid you don't see the obvious contradiction between what you constantly say and what you constantly do... I suppose it varies from person to person, and there are some of both.
The problem with all that is that you are collectivizing something made up of individuals. "Null sec" isn't some kind of hive mind any more than any other group of people are. For there to be 'hypocrisy' you'd have to show that the same individual people who are saying "come to null sec" are the ones wanting people to come to null for some kind of easy kills.
The fact is that most people in null don't care one way or the other, they are just playing the game according to the rules, and since null sec has no rules about who you can and cannot shot, people get shot at. The folks on this forum (which most players of EVE don't even visit) suggesting people get out of high sec tend to be people who got out of high sec and found that the game became more meaningful or less frustrating for them once they did so. It did for me, though i don't give a flip about where people choose to play. |
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Posted - 2016.09.12 16:42:38 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
If the lowsec "solo" PvPers wanted to come out and show what happens when a fleet of proper combat pilots takes on a fleet of F1 monkeys, they could. They sometimes do. They just usually don't. If enough of them get together and say "Lets's bash that blob", guess what's going to happen?
lol, but nope.
What happens in game when you put together a whole bunch of 'individualist/YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO" solo players against people who are in tune with each other and used to cooperating, the results are always the same. In fact the results look a lot like this. |
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Posted - 2016.09.12 17:40:02 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:That is why the Goons were able to fend off the disorganized rabble that came to kick them out of their space too, right? I know the big movers weren't technically low-sec residents or "solo" - but they weren't the "big" blobbing groups either - just small, semi-individualistic pests. 
It would help if you asked yourself "do i know anything about this" before choosing to post. |
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Posted - 2016.09.12 18:01:52 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:That is why the Goons were able to fend off the disorganized rabble that came to kick them out of their space too, right? I know the big movers weren't technically low-sec residents or "solo" - but they weren't the "big" blobbing groups either - just small, semi-individualistic pests. It would help if you asked yourself "do i know anything about this" before choosing to post. I know some things about it. The goons totally won right - because that was *your* point - the big 0.0 blobs always win. No coalition of non-0.0 blobs could defeat them, regardless of what brings them together. It just isn't possible, because they aren't used to working together. Right? Feel free to take your own advice any time you like.
I don't know what your deal is, so I'll just leave it alone. Unlike you I actually participated in the thing you are talking about, your take on it is wrong and you have totally misconstrued what's been posted. You seem to do that a lot despite the fact that you (at least outwardly) seem smarter than that. |
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